Finally POLAND on 4m band !!!

[SP5XMU]

Hi,

EI7GMB why do You believe so much in rumours???
Would You be so kind to tell us WHO?? told You that FM will be not allowed on 70MHz in Poland????
It's better to check Your self in official source and stop confusing people around.

Please follow this link latest project:
http://bip.transport.gov.pl/pl/bip/proj ... nienia.pdf

http://bip.transport.gov.pl/pl/bip/proj ... omunikacja


Miłej lektury !

[OH5LID]

the only and the one FM-DX heard on 4m, apart from Danish stations

OH bandplan 20.275 is FM calling freq, sure we cant QSY .450 but those who QSY 275 during ES openings can operate also with "moppe gang".

Congratulations Poland, great to have more active hams on "good MS distance".

[EI7GMB]

Hi,

EI7GMB why do You believe so much in rumours???
Would You be so kind to tell us WHO?? told You that FM will be not allowed on 70MHz in Poland????
It's better to check Your self in official source and stop confusing people around.

Please follow this link latest project:
http://bip.transport.gov.pl/pl/bip/proj ... nienia.pdf

http://bip.transport.gov.pl/pl/bip/proj ... omunikacja


Miłej lektury !

I do believe cause bad experience with certain people and authorities says to expect less than adequate. I really want to believe that FM and 70.000 to 70.500 will be of use but, unless the Act will make it so, I am expecting the thing being as per PZK members letter of intention. Why ask for less when there was a chance to bargain for more? But OK, all I see is that third parties proposals were refused [more bandwidth, more power] and the thing will be entertained as it was being proposed on 2007 letter.

Anyways, good to have it IF it would come to life. I've heard around 2002 that 70mhz wouldn't be ever released to the Amateur community, so talks about a small chunk of it is a big step forward.

[GW8ASD]

Ivan, S51DI, is one of a handful of FM stations I've worked on 4M.
It's usually after working him on SSB.
Of the 130, FM, QSOs I've ever had just under a third are over 1000km.
The vast majority used horizontally polarised Yagis.
It's just a small percentage of the overall 3331 QSOs on 4M.
Best DX, on FM is OH5LID, at 2106km, as opposed to 3042km, SV5BYR, on SSB.
Greece aren't allowed FM so no chance of a contact, on that mode, there.

If Poland are only going to have 200khz, and bearing in mind that, when the band is busy at least 70.100 - 70.250 can be fully occupied with SSB, and 70.270 is the MGM activity centre there could be problems, with FM.
Because of the varied allocations FM QSOs between certain combinations of countries are not possible without split frequency working.
Something not commonly found on ex PMR equipment.

If all countries, eventually, get the same allocation, many of the problems will go away but, until then, a lot of thought has to go into operating procedures to get the best out of the band.

I've found the the best monitoring strategy is to use the SDR to monitor the whole band and leave the main RX on 70.200 with the sub RX on a frequency determined by suspected band conditions.

I don't monitor any FM channels.
If one shows up on the SDR I'll have a quick look but I've always found indications of good conditions show up through beacons, and SSB signals, before FM.

Cheers

Tony

[SP5XMU]

Hi,

Polish Government has sign changes to National Frequency Allocation Table.
End document can be found here: http://legislacja.rcl.gov.pl/docs/3/139 ... April+2012

We are waiting for document to be published in Public Bulletin.
It will become operational after 14days.

70,100-70,300MHz and 20W EIRP

See You on the band ! Rock and Roll !

Tom SP5XMU

[SP5XMU]

Hi

Good news !!
We start 31st of May 2012 22.00 UTC

Based on :

Data ogłoszenia:2012-05-17
Nazwa dziennika:Dziennik Ustaw
Rok:2012
Pozycja:537

http://dziennikustaw.gov.pl/du/2012/537/1

73 Tom

[GW8ASD]

I guess I'll be waiting for you all then.
I look forward to receiving a signal report on 4M rather than through KST.

Good luck all.

Cheers

Tony

[OH1ZAA]

Bardzo gratuluje! 73, "Zaba" OH1ZAA/OHoMZA

[ON5VW]

"Hi

Good news !!
We start 31st of May 2012 22.00 UTC Based on :

Data ogłoszenia:2012-05-17
Nazwa dziennika:Dziennik Ustaw
Rok:2012
Pozycja:537

http://dziennikustaw.gov.pl/du/2012/537/1

73 Tom_________________
Tom SP5XMU - www.sp5xmu.pl


Hi Tom,
I sent you 2 emails but never got any reply... must have used wrong email address i suppose.
So i'll try it here on the forum.
According to Bo OZ2M the 70 MHz permit goes official on 31 May at 00h00 (or 30 May 24h00) and according your info it is 31 May 24h00 (or 1 July 00h00) all local time.
Which one is correct ?

73
Marc
ON5VW.

[EI2HI]

Welcome Poland to 4meters ! I worked my first Polish stations yesterday (12th of June 2012) on the band and all contacts were on fm. I only have an FM radio running 20W into a vertical folded dipole antenna but contrary to what some may say about working dx on fm mode I also worked DL, CT, PA, S5, OM, EA5, IW and CT1. It just takes a bit of patience and keeping the squelch open when on fm. I look forward to hearing more Polish stations using fm on the band.

73s de EI2HI, op Hugh

[GW8ASD]

I don't think anyone has said you can't work DX, using FM, however it's less likely and there are situations where countries are not allowed FM and, also, signals have to be much stronger.
Even some areas where FM is permitted have few, if any, FM stations active.
None, as far as I know, in TF or OY, for instance.
Both have been very strong over the past days.
It's also very unlikely that DXpeditions will run FM.

Polish stations have been very active since within minutes of the band being available and have put a lot of effort into contacts.

Glad you are enjoying 4M.

Cheers

Tony

[SP5XMU]

Hi,

You can follow our results on SP-VHF-C web page:

First's SP - http://pk-ukf.org.pl/first_sp.php?vid=79160038757d206689b936a61d64cf0d&prop=4&band=11
SP ODX - http://pk-ukf.org.pl/odx.php?vid=79160038757d206689b936a61d64cf0d&prop=4&band=11

It was good start-up for all of us. Totally over 25DXCC worked on 4m and few long distance double-skip QSO like A92 , CU and EA8 >3800km done by SP stations.

First SP beacon will be soon operational on air - SR5FHR 70.110MHz from KO02. We are waiting for permit...

Thanks to all of You for very very hot welcome QSO's !!!

73 Tom