EI3GYB Wrote:
Yes- it is a tricky one. There is nothing written in the German licence for 4 metres that you are not allowed to communicate with other stations. So it is not forbidden either.
So far there have not been any problems with it. Why is it suddenly a problem here ? Is it really that important if it is " valid " DX country on Four ?
Hi Michael, I'm not suggesting there is any problem here and it makes little odds to me anyway, it was just a point about experimental permits not being exclusive to amateur radio enthusiasts.
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by DL3YEE » Fri 28 Oct 2011, 12:21
Hi all,
in Germany is a 4m permit not amateur radio license!
The German 4m permits are only experimental permits!
At the 4m band CW and SSB may be used digitally with 9.9 watts EIRP.
The bandwidth is max. 2.7 KHz limited.
The frequency of 69.950 MHz is mostly, but others have been granted.
These are described in the permit individual coaching.
In principle, any person, whether amateur radio or private individual shall receive a permit.
The only reason why you want this authorization as a private person is then very difficult, because no prior knowledge is available in the technical field.
There are currently only permits since 2007, has been awarded to amateur radio operators.
On the 6m band may be worked in Germany exclusively CW and SSB with 25 watts ERP.
I hope this has helped to clarify now!
vy 73 de Klaus DL3YEE
in Germany is a 4m permit not amateur radio license!
The German 4m permits are only experimental permits!
At the 4m band CW and SSB may be used digitally with 9.9 watts EIRP.
The bandwidth is max. 2.7 KHz limited.
The frequency of 69.950 MHz is mostly, but others have been granted.
These are described in the permit individual coaching.
In principle, any person, whether amateur radio or private individual shall receive a permit.
The only reason why you want this authorization as a private person is then very difficult, because no prior knowledge is available in the technical field.
There are currently only permits since 2007, has been awarded to amateur radio operators.
On the 6m band may be worked in Germany exclusively CW and SSB with 25 watts ERP.
I hope this has helped to clarify now!
vy 73 de Klaus DL3YEE
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by DL3YEE » Mon 31 Oct 2011, 08:00
Hi Tony,
On 6m this is correct, only horizontal antennas.
4m to the approval is based on the location, it may not be operating portable!
In my approval is given no special antenna.
3 months ago I moved from JO42GE after JO50LU, and hope I get a permit in 2012 for JO50LU.
vy 73 de Klaus DL3YEE
On 6m this is correct, only horizontal antennas.
4m to the approval is based on the location, it may not be operating portable!
In my approval is given no special antenna.
3 months ago I moved from JO42GE after JO50LU, and hope I get a permit in 2012 for JO50LU.
vy 73 de Klaus DL3YEE
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Digital Modes
by CT1HZE » Mon 7 Nov 2011, 14:09
G4ASR wrote:
"Furthermore as you are probably aware, the amateur radio service in Germany is not allowed to use digital modes on the VHF bands."
WHAT????????????
Except on 6m on any other VHF band in DL digital modes are legal, of course.
73
Joe, DL8HCZ/CT1HZE
P.S. I wonder who decides if a QSO with DL is legal on 4m?
ARRL, IARU, RSGB, G4ASR?
Also other countries had experimental licences in the past on 4m, e.g. CT, HA...
"Furthermore as you are probably aware, the amateur radio service in Germany is not allowed to use digital modes on the VHF bands."
WHAT????????????
Except on 6m on any other VHF band in DL digital modes are legal, of course.
73
Joe, DL8HCZ/CT1HZE
P.S. I wonder who decides if a QSO with DL is legal on 4m?
ARRL, IARU, RSGB, G4ASR?
Also other countries had experimental licences in the past on 4m, e.g. CT, HA...
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by G4ASR » Mon 7 Nov 2011, 14:59
Hi Joe,
I'm not concerned who decides if a contact with DL on 4m is legal.
Im just making the VALID point that the 4m permits that DL operators are using are NOT for the Amateur Radio Service.
They are 'Experimental' licences, not even a service.
Operators can jump up and down as much as they like (or break the rules), I personally dont care.
I just exercising my right to free speech to help operators understand the real situation.
Im not saying, dont do it as I've worked many DL operators on 69.950MHz
Im just explaining the truth of the matter and some people dont like it lol
What DARC should do is to get one 12.5kHz channel slot within the IARU Region-1 70MHz band.
73 David
I'm not concerned who decides if a contact with DL on 4m is legal.
Im just making the VALID point that the 4m permits that DL operators are using are NOT for the Amateur Radio Service.
They are 'Experimental' licences, not even a service.
Operators can jump up and down as much as they like (or break the rules), I personally dont care.
I just exercising my right to free speech to help operators understand the real situation.
Im not saying, dont do it as I've worked many DL operators on 69.950MHz
Im just explaining the truth of the matter and some people dont like it lol
What DARC should do is to get one 12.5kHz channel slot within the IARU Region-1 70MHz band.
73 David
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by G4ASR » Mon 7 Nov 2011, 15:02
and furthermore
CT and HA did not have 'experimental' licences, they had temporary licences for use within the Amateur Radio Service.
There is a clear distinction. Come on Joe, you know that :)
CT and HA did not have 'experimental' licences, they had temporary licences for use within the Amateur Radio Service.
There is a clear distinction. Come on Joe, you know that :)
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by GM4FVM » Mon 7 Nov 2011, 15:10
I agree with David here.
It is my licence that is at stake, not the one of the station I am working. Nor, in fact, of those looking on from other jurisdictions and saying "it doesn't matter". Maybe it does not matter to them, but it does to me.
Many "experimental" licences have been issued within the Amateur Service, but that does not seem to be the case here.
The "Amateur Service" is a delicate thing, and I feel that it needs to be respected by those of us who have the privilege to operate within it.
Others can do what they like, but I am glad that this topic has been aired.
I may not do anything differently, but I like to know where I stand.
Jim
GM4FVM
It is my licence that is at stake, not the one of the station I am working. Nor, in fact, of those looking on from other jurisdictions and saying "it doesn't matter". Maybe it does not matter to them, but it does to me.
Many "experimental" licences have been issued within the Amateur Service, but that does not seem to be the case here.
The "Amateur Service" is a delicate thing, and I feel that it needs to be respected by those of us who have the privilege to operate within it.
Others can do what they like, but I am glad that this topic has been aired.
I may not do anything differently, but I like to know where I stand.
Jim
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by GW8IZR » Mon 7 Nov 2011, 16:21
Do cross service contacts comply with the UK amateur radio licence?
I suppose a similar test case would be –
A contact where party A is a UK amateur licence holder who transmits on the 40m band and party B is an SWL who responds on a UK legal 27MHz (CB) installation.
I think the current regulations say :
The Licensee shall address Messages _only_ to other licensed _amateurs_ or the stations of licensed amateurs (snip)
My opinion, which my wife regularly tells me counts for nothing, In terms of interference and spectrum abuse there are much bigger fish to fry....
I suppose a similar test case would be –
A contact where party A is a UK amateur licence holder who transmits on the 40m band and party B is an SWL who responds on a UK legal 27MHz (CB) installation.
I think the current regulations say :
The Licensee shall address Messages _only_ to other licensed _amateurs_ or the stations of licensed amateurs (snip)
My opinion, which my wife regularly tells me counts for nothing, In terms of interference and spectrum abuse there are much bigger fish to fry....
73 de Paul GW8IZR
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by G4KLX » Mon 7 Nov 2011, 18:55
David
You said:
Which is clearly incorrect. While you may be right about 4m German licences, the above quote is indeed disinformation and doesn't help anyone.
Jonathan
You said:
Furthermore as you are probably aware, the amateur radio service in Germany is not allowed to use digital modes on the VHF bands.
Which is clearly incorrect. While you may be right about 4m German licences, the above quote is indeed disinformation and doesn't help anyone.
Jonathan
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by GM4FVM » Mon 7 Nov 2011, 19:03
There was me thinking that my licence terms were a pretty big fish to fry.
I must try to be more careless in future.
I cannot see how being worked by an amateur changes anything for a station not in the amateur service. As I asked before - can we work a PMR station operated by an amateur?
Jim
I must try to be more careless in future.
I cannot see how being worked by an amateur changes anything for a station not in the amateur service. As I asked before - can we work a PMR station operated by an amateur?
Jim
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by GW8IZR » Mon 7 Nov 2011, 19:25
Jim
Infringement of rules and regulations is important.. the reality is that insufficient resource is available to police every transgression and you really have to look at who or what is being hurt here. There _are_ bigger issues to focus on.
I can’t answer your question about an amateur -> PMR contact as I am not aware of any test case but the example that I quoted is a real one and the licensing authority confirmed that the club net was operating outside of the amateur licence conditions by allowing CB operators to work x-service..
Importantly they chose to _advise_ the club of this and no prosecution was needed, they had bigger fish to fry.
Infringement of rules and regulations is important.. the reality is that insufficient resource is available to police every transgression and you really have to look at who or what is being hurt here. There _are_ bigger issues to focus on.
I can’t answer your question about an amateur -> PMR contact as I am not aware of any test case but the example that I quoted is a real one and the licensing authority confirmed that the club net was operating outside of the amateur licence conditions by allowing CB operators to work x-service..
Importantly they chose to _advise_ the club of this and no prosecution was needed, they had bigger fish to fry.
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by GM4FVM » Mon 7 Nov 2011, 20:09
OK Paul
Thanks for that posting. I take your point.
I just think that we will find it hard to argue about spectrum abuse or Russian taxis (don't start me on that one - they are right on the PSK frequencies on a Primary amateur band) if we do not keep our own house in order.
Now, I am off to think about something equally important - can I solve the world's looming energy crisis before I get even older?
Jim
GM4FVM
Thanks for that posting. I take your point.
I just think that we will find it hard to argue about spectrum abuse or Russian taxis (don't start me on that one - they are right on the PSK frequencies on a Primary amateur band) if we do not keep our own house in order.
Now, I am off to think about something equally important - can I solve the world's looming energy crisis before I get even older?
Jim
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by GW8IZR » Mon 7 Nov 2011, 20:32
Now, I am off to think about something equally important - can I solve the world's looming energy crisis before I get even older?
Jim
Can you have a crack at the banking and world debt crisis while your at it please?
Regards Paul
Jim
Can you have a crack at the banking and world debt crisis while your at it please?
Regards Paul
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Re: G4ASR
by CT1HZE » Mon 7 Nov 2011, 22:43
David,
do you really know better than me what was written in the first years in my CT licence? Amazing
It was NOT granted according to the amateur radio law, but the general
telecommunication law.
I`m sorry, but your statement about the licence character
is not better than your statement about digital moodes on the VHF bands in DL. It is just nonsense.
It`s a shame, because as an IARU official you should now better.
73
Joe, DL8HCZ/CT1HZE
do you really know better than me what was written in the first years in my CT licence? Amazing
It was NOT granted according to the amateur radio law, but the general
telecommunication law.
I`m sorry, but your statement about the licence character
is not better than your statement about digital moodes on the VHF bands in DL. It is just nonsense.
It`s a shame, because as an IARU official you should now better.
73
Joe, DL8HCZ/CT1HZE
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