I've just received this:
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Please may I take this opportunity to encourage ALL members of this forum to sign the 10 Downing Street E-Petition to SAVE SHORTWAVE RADIO from overwhelming INTERFERENCE from British Telecom's BT Home-Hub / Vision Powerline Adapters and other similar PLT / BPL (Broadband By Power Line) devices that threaten to swamp our radios with impossible amounts of noise and QRM.
Please encourage anyone and everyone that you know who has any interest in radio, whether it is as a broadcast listener, an 'SWL' (Short Wave Listener), a Radio Amateur or CB operator to sign the E-Petition.
PLEASE sign the E-PETITION here :
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/SaveShortwave/
THANK YOU!!
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Apparently these devices are causing some amateurs major problems right across the HF bands. I've signed and sent this to every amateur and listener I can think of.
BT Vision/homeplug QRM
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by M0NKC » Fri 15 Aug 2008, 11:04
I also sent this link to newsdesk AT rsgb.org.uk, proposing its publication on the RSGB Web page due to its importance to us all. As of now I've received no response (and it hasn't appeared on the Web either).
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by G3PTU » Sun 17 Aug 2008, 15:34
Look at the full page spread in this weeks (160808) "Radio Times" just asking for a mamoth increase in this acountant based 'to hell with rest of you'
Its bad enough with poor switch mode PSU's.
I'm still awaiting replies form very respecatable manifacturers about the hash from their CE approved units.
Apparnatly what they do is they send a fully complient device and get it certificated then on the production run cut out all the "non essential" bits and pieces. Open one and see the links on the board where the ferrite should be!
Yet a recent HP Printer, with plugy in thingy - you cannot hear it even with a radio next to it and its switch mode, small, High output and made in china. So it can be done
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Its bad enough with poor switch mode PSU's.
I'm still awaiting replies form very respecatable manifacturers about the hash from their CE approved units.
Apparnatly what they do is they send a fully complient device and get it certificated then on the production run cut out all the "non essential" bits and pieces. Open one and see the links on the board where the ferrite should be!
Yet a recent HP Printer, with plugy in thingy - you cannot hear it even with a radio next to it and its switch mode, small, High output and made in china. So it can be done
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by G0DJA » Mon 18 Aug 2008, 16:20
I've signed petitions on the No. 10 website before, and as far as I can see it did little good.
In the case of the road pricing one, the politicians dismissed it saying either that something had to be done to reduce road use or that they were elected to take difficult decisions and we live in a 'representative democracy' and don't hold plebiscites... The reply to the petition with well over 1million signatures from Tony Blair was, in my opinion, a master class in how to say nothing in as many words as you can whist appearing to be very concerned.
In some cases, where enough sign but not enough to make the news, the people who monitor the No. 10 petition system send some bland response usually saying something like "this has been passed to the relevant ministry or minister for consideration". Which I read as meaning that nothing will happen.
In the case of others they just claim that not enough people signed and ignore them as well.
The CE marks? Well, although there are EU regs, it appears that you only have to say that your equipment meets them, you don't actually have to prove it unless there's a likelihood of risk to life or limb... Basically, from what I can make out from people who have looked into getting a CE mark, if you self certify you take the risk that someone gets hurt and sues. The CE non-conformity then pales into insignificance against damages that could be awarded against you. If there's little risk of that then the costs of being prosecuted in the EU courts are low, as the allegation that you 'think' something isn't compliant is not acceptable to the EU courts, you would need to prove that it doesn't comply, and so you, not the manufacturers, would have to get the tests done at your own expense and that could be a lot to put up front and risk not winning the action in the end as well...
I could be wrong, but that seems to be the response from people involved in manufacturing who have self certified.
In the case of the road pricing one, the politicians dismissed it saying either that something had to be done to reduce road use or that they were elected to take difficult decisions and we live in a 'representative democracy' and don't hold plebiscites... The reply to the petition with well over 1million signatures from Tony Blair was, in my opinion, a master class in how to say nothing in as many words as you can whist appearing to be very concerned.
In some cases, where enough sign but not enough to make the news, the people who monitor the No. 10 petition system send some bland response usually saying something like "this has been passed to the relevant ministry or minister for consideration". Which I read as meaning that nothing will happen.
In the case of others they just claim that not enough people signed and ignore them as well.
The CE marks? Well, although there are EU regs, it appears that you only have to say that your equipment meets them, you don't actually have to prove it unless there's a likelihood of risk to life or limb... Basically, from what I can make out from people who have looked into getting a CE mark, if you self certify you take the risk that someone gets hurt and sues. The CE non-conformity then pales into insignificance against damages that could be awarded against you. If there's little risk of that then the costs of being prosecuted in the EU courts are low, as the allegation that you 'think' something isn't compliant is not acceptable to the EU courts, you would need to prove that it doesn't comply, and so you, not the manufacturers, would have to get the tests done at your own expense and that could be a lot to put up front and risk not winning the action in the end as well...
I could be wrong, but that seems to be the response from people involved in manufacturing who have self certified.
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by M0NKC » Tue 26 Aug 2008, 09:34
M0NKC wrote:I also sent this link to newsdesk AT rsgb.org.uk, proposing its publication on the RSGB Web page due to its importance to us all. As of now I've received no response (and it hasn't appeared on the Web either).
It made it into this week's news http://www.rsgb.org/news/news100.php, as of now it got nearly 2000 signatures, IMHO not too bad.
G0DJA could in the end be proven right but nevertheless, if we don't at least try to do something this kind of QRM won't stop on its own.
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