Finally POLAND on 4m band !!!

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Finally POLAND on 4m band !!!

Postby SP5XMU » Thu 29 Mar 2012, 13:19

Hi,

On 3rd of April 2012 Polish Government will sign changes to National Frequency Allocation Table, allowing us to use 70MHz and 3.4GHz !!!

http://bip.kprm.gov.pl/download/75/6091/RM001152012.pdf

Stay informed !!! 8)

See you on 4m band !!!!! 8)

73 Tom SP5XMU
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Postby GW8ASD » Thu 29 Mar 2012, 13:58

Great news.
Does that mean activity on the 4th, or will it be OK on the 3rd?
What part of the band has been allocated?

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Postby SP5XMU » Thu 29 Mar 2012, 14:07

I'm not sure,
I think few days after been published in Public Information Bulletin or just after publication.
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Postby GW8ASD » Thu 29 Mar 2012, 14:15

I'll be keeping a lookout. :D

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Postby EI7GMB » Thu 29 Mar 2012, 20:05

What is the band allocation? Hope not 70.100 - 70.300 only.
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Postby PA5DD » Fri 30 Mar 2012, 11:24

Very clever that the regulation refers directly to the allocation table, so that it does not need to be updated:

http://translate.google.com/translate?s ... age%3Dtext

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Postby EI7GMB » Fri 30 Mar 2012, 20:24

Hmm... call me blind, but still can't see the 4m allocation. Original post links to unrelated document, yours links to some translation, but there's no 4m mentioned.
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Postby PA5DD » Sat 31 Mar 2012, 12:31

You need to find the proposal for changing the allocation table. Don't have the link at hand. The proposal was 70..1-70.3 & 20 W eirp, but I think PZK has intervened concerning the power limit - we will know soon enough.

The regulation says that you can use any band allocated in the table. That means the regulation does not have to be renewed, as was the case here in the Netherlands.

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Postby EI7GMB » Sat 31 Mar 2012, 20:57

I wouldn't be concerned at the power limit but rather segment size and mode available. I've heard rumors that it could be 70.100-70.300 and no FM allowed. In this case it will be a great disappointment.
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Postby EI3GYB » Sat 31 Mar 2012, 23:10

70.100 to 70.300 MHz would be great- the calling frequency of 70.200 MHz and surounding frequencies are covered. It does not matter if FM is not allowed- for DX we only need SSB,CW and digital modes.
FM contacts would be extremely rare anyhow between Ireland and Poland.
Rather unfortunate for people in Poland looking for FM contacts...PMR rigs would be useless....
I am happy if it works out like that- from an Irish viewpoint.
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Postby EI7GMB » Sat 31 Mar 2012, 23:20

Michael I understand your point, but amateur radio is not only about dx...dx...dx... and fm dx I find even more challenging than ssb.
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Postby G8JGO » Sun 1 Apr 2012, 17:06

EI7GMB wrote:Michael I understand your point, but amateur radio is not only about dx...dx...dx... and fm dx I find even more challenging than ssb.


Seconded! :D

Plenty of opportunity for DX FM during openings if people take the time and put the effort in.

Edit: Blimey! forgot to say welcome aboard Poland!!!
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Postby SP5XMU » Sun 1 Apr 2012, 18:47

70.100-70.300MHz + 20W EIRP
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Postby EI3GYB » Mon 2 Apr 2012, 03:48

Looking through my logs of the last 4 years I find very few FM DX contacts on 4 metres at all.
The local contacts are rare enough, but when it comes to contacts to the outside world, it is getting really depressing.
I am living in the open countryside a bit up a hill, no QRM and no obstructions here. Take off is great to the South,West and most of the East.So no problem there.
I have run one rig here in continious scan mode scanning a bit over 40 frequencies in FM. The rig is running nearly 24/7/365. Sometimes I have it on at nighttime as well- I can be sure that I will be not woken up by any noise- there will be none....
Sometimes I also have another rig with a horizontal antenna facing south east watching a single frequency.
This rig and antenna is used then for the DX contacts in SSB during the openings, while the other rig keeps scanning now only above 70.250 MHz in FM. Usually it is dead there- until Ivan comes up....
I worked S51DI Ivan a good few times- probably every 4 metre FM rig owner will work him sooner or later.
Worked a couple of Danish stations as well when there was very good prop.
Worked Joachim from Portugal- who is a brilliant VHF/UHF experimenter and does call as well in FM mode.
Heard one station from Spain- Barcelona area several times calling in FM- but I could not make any contacts.
ZB2B Ronald from Gibraltar was coming up a good few times over the years in FM. Always a pleasure to chat with him.
Heard stations from -probably - Northern Africa- outside the Irish allocation several times...sounded like taxi companies.
Heard OIRT high power commercial radio stations many times.
This is my result after 4 years on the band, and continious scanning.
Never heard a station from England,Wales or Scotland- even when 2 metres was wide open to that part of the world.
Worked one station form Belfast during an opening on 2 metres. The guy was so nice to QSY- and 4 was wide open. Any calls on 70.450 and 70.260 MHz afterwards were in vain- even when the band was wide open.
I found FM DX a waste of time. Whenever the band is open, I make contacts in the SSB part- but on FM there is nothing at all. One can call and call and call- but no reply.Most people who do DX do not watch the FM part. We all would like that people put effort into this- but the sad reality is that there is no effort at all into the FM mode and that most PMR-only rig owners have not the most favourable set-ups.
FM DX is something very special- I do it for many years on 29,51,70 and 145 MHz. But if I compare the amount of QSOs to the SSB mode, SSB contacts outnumber FM contacts by more than 9 to 1.This figure speaks for itself.
FM is nice for local contacts or raised inland tropo condition. If you are lucky to live in reach of groups who use 4 metres...
Let's face it: DX contacts are nearly always in SSB. Of course there are exceptions- but ...
Loads of PMR rigs around- but many are sitting on the shack shelves or the antenna is down...
DX contacts in FM are mostly done by people who have no SSB equipment.
My first year on 4 was only in FM- and I got only a handfull of contacts.
It all changed dramatically when I got a transverter- which is the way forward.
You also need a good opening on 70 MHz to get a reasonable QSO in FM together. You cannot expect much from a vertical antenna, 20 watts output and a high noise level from your surrounding city.
A few QSO I had in FM were extremely difficult, to say the least. It would have been much easier in SSB and a directional antenna.
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Postby EI7GMB » Mon 2 Apr 2012, 06:51

Its all the truth Michael, but then if another [quite a large] country wouldn't get FM allocation it wouldn't help it also. Just imagine how different it would be if Germany could do 70.000-70,500 with FM. Nearly on every band and every mode my log speaks for itself - Deutschland Uber Alles, and United States is just a step behind. Then if Poland wouldn't get FM mode next Ukraine or Russia could do same [ok, they're still do OIRT radio and low band TV so no 6 meters or 4 meters would be released any sooner till the end of this thing], and after last year of Sporadic E's it just show the potential of this mode/band. And personally I really enjoy simple setup doing unheard things. Greetings must go to Phil ON4TA who done more with 1 watt FM recently, than anyone else for past 3 years here.

nb. the only and the one FM-DX heard on 4m, apart from Danish stations, were UK ones. Not to mention that last year I was lucky enough to work Wales and few others from the UK on 2m, pity they didn't maintain 4m gear.

Anyways still hoping that Poland would get FM along with 4m band. And even more - the full spectrum with primary allocation. With Poland's large area an E's season could bring such a nice FM-DX "locally" what is not normally possible. And of course internationally if someone else enjoys this. Anyway an ex-PMR setup is good and cheap start up for this band so FM is quite handy thing to have.
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